
Communicating before a date builds trust and real intimacy. Why I always make contact, and flirt a little, long before we ever meet.

Glossary
The conversation where two people take turns putting something on the table, and where the rest of the evening rests on.
Negotiation is the conversation where two people set down before a session what does and does not happen. Both sides bring something to it: wishes, limits, health, the safeword and the aftercare. It is not asking permission but making a frame together, and it comes before every arrangement.
| Also called | scene negotiation. Watch the trap: the word suggests haggling, while nothing is bargained down |
| Also known as | a pre-talk, session negotiation and attunement; how I fill in that last one is on the page about consent |
| Category | the conversation that makes consent concrete |
| Who starts | both. A dominant puts their own limits on the table just as much as a submissive |
| What comes up | wishes, hard and soft limits, health, the safeword and the aftercare |
| When | beforehand, and again as soon as something changes; along the way it continues as check-in |
| Biggest pitfall | assuming the other means the same thing by the same word |
A negotiation takes ten minutes to half an hour and is about four things: what you want, what you do not, how you stop and what happens afterward.
Dunkley and Brotto lay out in their review in Sexual Abuse what comes up: what people are in the mood for, health complaints, acts that are out of the question, emotional triggers, and the aftercare. Arrangements, they say, must be explicit, not tacit.
A common example. Two people who met at a munch meet an hour before the session. She names three things she wants to try and two that are not on the table; he says what he does not do himself, and that list is shorter than she expected. They agree “red” as the safeword and “yellow” to make it softer, and stay sitting together for half an hour afterward.
Negotiation carries a trap in English: it suggests haggling, bargaining a price down, while in a scene nothing is bargained away. The Dutch word for it, onderhandelen, makes the other reading plain, because it literally means “to talk back and forth.” The Etymologiebank gives onderhandelen as a compound of onder “mutual” and handelen “to talk about something,” with the oldest Dutch attestations between 1845 and 1849; handelen is itself an old derivation of hand, base meaning “to touch, to take in hand.”
The mutuality is thus already in the word. Anyone who only asks whether something is allowed is not negotiating but asking permission. That is why the dominant side is just as much up to bat as the receiving one.
Williams, Thomas, Prior and Christensen hold in their proposal for the 4C’s framework that acceptable play stands or falls with careful negotiation, and alongside consent and caution they hang two things the older slogans missed: caring and communication. Of the three layers of consent the same authors distinguish, negotiation is the middle one.
For many people the conversation is already half the fun: you hear someone say out loud what they intend to do with you.
Negotiation alone does not solve everything. Dunkley and Brotto note pointedly that misunderstandings arise even with a negotiation: it rarely goes wrong on whether something is allowed and almost always on what that something means. Two people who agree to “hard spanking” sometimes have a very different picture of it.
The most common form is a spoken conversation in this order:
There are also two variant forms. The written one: you both fill in a kinklist and the conversation is only about the rows where your answers differ. And the ongoing one, with people who play together more often: only what has changed.
“Negotiation is asking permission.” That is half of it. In asking permission one person puts something forward; in negotiation both put something down, including the one who takes the lead.
“If you discuss everything beforehand, the tension is gone.” What you agree is the frame, not the order or the moment. You know that there is a whip; when it gets picked up you do not.
“Negotiating once is enough.” Limits shift with time, mood, experience and play partner, write Williams and colleagues, and that is why they advise holding the arrangements up to the light each time again. Dunkley and Brotto add that there is communication during and after the session too. That is what the check-in and the debrief are for.
“Negotiation is for beginners.” The other way around: with edgeplay the negotiation is the longest part of the evening.
I’m Victor, a gigolo, in the BDSM world since 1990 and trained as a psychotherapist. I read and answer my messages myself, so the negotiation begins with the message someone deletes three times before sending it.
People have prepared the wrong half. They come with a neat list of what is not allowed and have never said out loud what they do want. Understandable: the first feels like protecting yourself, the second like exposing yourself. Only then I know where the walls stand, not where we are walking to.
Beyond that, almost always the same question comes, often with an apology attached: is this weird? Everything can be discussed and nothing has to happen. There are things that are not for me, and I just name those back. That belongs to it just as much as your list.
What beginners get wrong most often: nodding at an unfamiliar word. Ask further.
On this site, consent explains the principle under this conversation, kinklist gives the list you prepare it with, and the article on communicating beforehand shows how such a conversation builds connection instead of breaking the mood.
Beyond this site, the piece by Williams and colleagues on the 4C’s is the best starting point: it explains why “safe, sane and consensual” falls short as a negotiation frame. At Dunkley and Brotto the literature is gathered together.
If you find it hard to have such a conversation with someone you do not know, then with me it is not a separate lead-up but the first half of the BDSM date itself. The preparation shows which questions I ask; afterward you can still say no.
Frequently asked questions
Negotiation is the conversation where two people set down before a session what does and does not happen. Both sides bring something to it, including the one who takes the lead. Nothing is bargained down: two lists go side by side and what is left is the playing field.
No, because a negotiation sets down the frame and not the order or the moment. You know that there is a whip in the room; when it gets picked up you do not. Many people find the conversation itself exciting, because someone says out loud what they intend to do.
In writing and sober, well before you see each other. Both fill in a kinklist, then discuss only the rows where your answers differ, and ask at every word what it means to the other. Among 202 BDSM practitioners in Tarleton, Mackenzie and Sagarin’s study, drink during such arrangements was generally found unacceptable. If that is not possible beforehand because you only meet on the evening itself, that is called pick-up play and different rules of thumb apply.
Victor, a gigolo active in BDSM since 1990 and trained as a psychotherapist. With him this conversation is not a separate lead-up but the first half of the appointment, and he has it himself. Feel free to write him through the contact form; anyone who would rather type back and forth first can chat for free.
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